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[MARINA LABARTHE]: The recording. Okay. So can you say one word just to see if it's working?
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[DIAL GIDWANI]: Hello
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[ML]: Okay.
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[DG]: Hello
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[ML]: All right, I think it's good. And do you mind if I, at some points, if I just—
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[DG]: Sure.
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[ML]: Yeah? Okay, so I don't want it to be distracting if I’m like this. **laughs** Today is your day. You’re the popular guy. Could you please state and spell your first and last name?
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[DG]: my first name is Dial V Gidwani g i d w a n i.
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[ML]: Okay so I'm going to—this is what we call interview slating, I’m gonna read this out loud I know you said you don't want to give away your rights and that is totally fine. I'm still going to read this the interview slating which is: This is an interview with Dial Gidwani as part of the Indo-American Heritage Museum's Masala Chat Oral History project. The interview is being conducted on October 23rd at 11 a.m. with an, in the narrator's home. Mr. Gidwani is being interviewed by Marina Labarthe of the Indo American Heritage Museum. So that’s just kind of to keep track but by no means--we're going to talk more about the consent form after and like whatever you want to be done with it we can do and whatever you don't want to be done with your interview absolutely, like you don't have to worry about us taking your rights or anything.
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[DG]: I want you to see that family tree.
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[ML]: Wow, yeah I definitely—
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[DG]: Read that—
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[ML]: Can I look at it?
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[DG]: Sure.
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[ML]: So your brother-in-law is he on here? He's the one that started the—Oh I see. So you were born August 26th?
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[DG]: Yes. 1936.
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[ML]: That’s 4 days after my birthday.
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[DG]: Oh
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[ML]: **laughs** So we’re both—
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[DG]: Virgo
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[ML]: Virgos yes. I’m a Leo-Virgo cusp but I guess **laughs** That’s very, that’s beautiful.
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[DG]: That’s a history.
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[ML]: Yeah, I’m definitely gonna inaudible for reference.
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[DG]: You can take a picture
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[ML]: I will, absolutely.
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[DG]: Okay.
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[ML]: Okay, so when and where were you born?
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[DG]: I was born in Hyderabad, Sindh which is now part of Pakistan. And it was in the united India when I was born.
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[ML]: Did you grow up in, did you grow up there?
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[DG]: I grew up ‘til the age of 33, thirty--, 32 and was forced out of our motherland after partition.
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[ML]: Oh wow, how were you forced out?
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[DG]: Forced out means, Pakistan became an Islamic state and it was difficult for Hindus to live there. So we all moved out of Pakistan and went to India.
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[ML]: What languages did you speak growing up?
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[DG]: I speak Sindhi, Hindi, English, Japanese, Chinese, Spanish—
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[ML]: Wow! How’d you learn all of these languages?
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[DG]: I lived-in Madrid four years. I lived in Hong Kong four years. I lived seven years in Japan. So I have lived in all cultures. In Africa, Asia, and Europe. And I lived in Paris four years.
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[ML]: You speak French too? **laughs**
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[DG]: No, I refused to learn French because they’re very arrogant. So I said, “No.” But I made a mistake. I could have learned.
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[ML]: So what drove you to move to all of these places?
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[DG]: My job. I was with Air India as Chief Executive and I was transferred from place to place, in my position.
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[ML]: How did you get into Air India?
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[DG]: I joined it in Bombay in1950s. And from there I moved on.
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[ML]: How long were you doing it?
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[DG]: 30 years. I retired in 1958, 1985. Because when you reach age of 58 we have to-- and Theni had moved to USA. I started my business here in Evanston. And then we lived in Wilmette here. And my sons are now running the business. I retired totally in 2000 and started this American Institute of Sindhulogy because I saw that growing Indian community here, which is going to be very large, their children who go to school, they’re not familiar with violence. And, so I said, let us start educating our children how to be nonviolent. How to face the conflicts. So this education I put it through—on the Martin Luther King and all that. Now if you see, out of the five icons, one in Hindu, two are Christian, one is Muslim, one is Buddhist. They have the same message. And they have learned from Gandhi…So, I thought the best thing is, so I contacted Gandhi ashram. They gave me permission to go ahead and publish the letters and the lessons for children. So also Dr. Mandela gave me permission and Dr. King. So I have made these on the website. So the children can go and read the stories of Gandhi and how about he is commanding, what he’s suggesting. And it became a success. I saw more people, visitors, coming. And then I gave tithe academic universities thousand in USA, this book intern of audience, presented to them. And they responded very positively but I had not made much worth. So, I had to told the Indian community, Why don’t you approach your library to purchase the book. And they did purchase. And the book is in most of the libraries.
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[ML]: Wow. That's awesome. I’m going to definitely go check it out I would like—
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[DG]: So then, of course, I followed up and keep on growing and say I was excited. It’s actually one-man-show. I'm have the board of directors, I have still. But they all grown old like me, I am 90. But I have inaudible and I want to do it. And even if I die, the website will be there, which will remain permanent monument for education of children. So it's catching up now. My granddaughter, who is 13, and she was given project on Gandhi. So, she came to me at home. So I gave her, we have a letter of Mahatma Gandhi to my father. Because he was freedom fighter on, he sent his blessings.
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[ML]: Wow.
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[DG]: So that letter is there. You can copy—
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[ML]: Really?
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[DG]: I’ll show you.
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[ML]: From Gandhi?
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[DG]: Gandhi.
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[ML]: Wow that’s inaudible—
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[DG]: I’ll show you my picture with Nehru.
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[ML]: You have a picture with Nehru?
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[DG]: He came and stayed in our house.
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[ML]: Really?
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[DG]: Yes. Chandra—Swaraj inaudible
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[ML]: Really?
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[DG]: A freedom fighter.
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[ML]: That is so cool
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[DG]: Yes, yes.
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[ML]: No way. I learned, yeah, I learned all about them in my history class in my Indian history class. Wow **laughs**
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[DG]: So, this is –India a great country. It has never invaded any country in 5,000 years. But it has been invaded, wrecked by Arabs, English, and whoever came, India has welcomed even when Jews were persecuted, they came to India. And India is the only one, country, who did not persecute Jews. And Jews were our friends, they became Family. I'll show you the book that, Jewish India heritage. This book. This one. This will show you how Jews were comfortable in India. …
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[DG]: You’re not Jewish?
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[ML]: My, half of my family is Jewish actually.
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[DG]: This is your heritage. Indian heritage.
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[ML]: That is so, this is outstanding.
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[DG]: I presented this book to—I will loan you out, if you want. But I must get it back.
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[ML]: **laughs** Yes—
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[DG]: My Jewish dentist, I have to show it to him on 8th.
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[ML]: Oh. Did he give it to you? Or—
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[DG]: No this is mine. I gave to Skokie library. Skokie library has the book. You can get it from there.
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[ML]: These are beautiful photos.
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[DG]: That’s my son, Vijay.
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[VIJAY GIDWANI]: Hi.
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[ML]: Hi.
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[DG]: Marina
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[VG]: Hello
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[ML]: Hi, nice to meet you.
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[DG]: She’s Peruvian.
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[ML]: I am.
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[VG]: How are you?
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[ML]: Hi, I’m great.
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[VG]: Good, good.
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[ML]: Nice to meet you. We’re doing an oral history **laughs**
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[VG]: Okay.
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[ML]: This is a beautiful book. So they have it at the library?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: I’ll just check it out from the library so that I can keep it for a long time **laughs** I don’t want to take it from you.
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[DG]: Yes. That's why you’re living the Highland Park.
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[ML]: Yes, I used to. I used to live in Highland Park. Now I live by DePaul.
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[DG]: Okay. Oh you came from DePaul now?
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[ML]: Yes, I did.
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[DG]: Vijay, Nikhil went to DePaul?
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[VG]: No, he went to Loyola.
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[DG]: Loyola, okay.
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[ML]: Okay, so, where did you go to school in India?
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[DG]: In Sindh. In Hyderabad, Sindh. Where I was born.
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[ML]: So do you live there—
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[DG]: Then, I came to India. They I went to university there. And graduated.
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[ML]: What did you study in university?
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[DG]: Bachelor’s.
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[ML]: Did—Is it—I’m not sure how it works there, but did you have like a major? Or?
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[DG]: Major.
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[ML]: Yeah?
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[DG]: Economics.
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[ML]: Economics. Did your family practice a particular religion growing up in India?
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[DG]: Yes, we are Hindus. But we are not practicing Hindus. I don’t go to Temple or anywhere. We believe in God, there is one God. And you choose your God and worship. But, is one. That’s what we believe in. That’s what the CD I’ll give you, give you the message. What Hindus are.
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[ML]: inaudible—
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[DG]: We have no religion. There’s a way of life. It is not religion.
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[ML]: Can you talk a little bit more about that? What do you mean a way of life not religion?
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[DG]: You do whatever, be a good human being. That’s it. That's why Hindus and Jews get along very well.… I thought you had the Jewish background.
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[ML]: **laughs** How come?
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[DG]: I don’t know. When you came in and Highland Park, when you said.
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[ML]: Yeah, right. Well I’m not, I wasn’t, it’s not in my blood. But, I grew up with—
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: I, my stepfather that I've had since I was 5 is Jewish and my sisters are Jewish. So, I grew up surrounded by, you know, Jewish culture and all the fun dinners **laughs** and family gatherings—
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[DG]: We have only Jewish friends.
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[ML]: Yeah?
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[DG]: Even I have one Jewish on my board. He’s a good writer.
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[ML]: This?
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[DG]: No. Steve Long. I took him to India. He was surprised and he says, My God. And he’s the one who has done videogames on nonviolence.
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[ML]: Oh I saw that section on your website. It’s very interesting--
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[DG]: And they are games based on the book. So, we have the rights and we are now finding out if there's any sponsor, so that we can develop these games. After that, sometimes I let inaudibleto Steve Long. And see how you can work out on videogames nonviolence only.
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[ML]: No, yeah that’s great. It’s about time someone tries to do something like that. Don’t you think?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: I mean, that’s part of a drew me so much to you. Your vision is essentially like this is--I admire that about you a lot. So I feel very honored to be here talking to you. It’s really, it’s a pleasure. So did your family have similar views as you in terms of religion? You know, like, you're saying that it's more of a way of life than…you know, you don't like that it’s used sometimes to separate people. Did your family view it a similar way? Or—
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[DG]: Yes. My father believed in that. That religion is a disaster. Because, who’s preaching religion? People who are paid. And they are told about, Pope says, they go about only they have to teach that. So, it’s not--the oldest scriptures’ word is our called Rigveda, 5000 BC. They were written on the bank of Sindhu river. And those are live now, in Pune, sitting there. And those Vedas are the sense of life. And that is Hinduism. Vedas. … If you see that Jesus Christ,13 years old missing, 17 years life, he disappeared. You know where he was?
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[ML]: Where?
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[DG]: In India. And he was studying Vedas. And from there he wrote Bible. … Now there inaudible and they’re about Jesus that he died in Kashmir.
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[ML]: Really?
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[DG]: … So, religion is how you interpret. But just be a good human being, that’s your religion.
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[ML]: Yeah, I totally agree. That’s yeah. …So, what did your parents do for a living in India?
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[DG]: My father was doctor. My two brothers were doctors. My other brother was in pharmaceutical business. So, we had the joint family. For years and years together.
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[ML]: So you were close—
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[DG]: And my brother’s children, we all lived together under one roof. And our neighbors were Jewish.
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[ML]: So what was your childhood like, living with your whole family, you were close with them?
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[DG]: Very close.
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[ML]: Could you tell me more about that? Do you have any stories?
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[DG]: Well, I have many stories inaudible. My father was freedom fighter. And he went to prison out of state for joining Gandhi’s movement. He spent about 30 years in jail. There was three, all the movements, they were all nonviolent movements. He was a rebel and he believed that what Gandhi was doing. And we all believed, and therefore, we used to wear handspun clothes. I had a inaudible Gandhi’s charka.
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[ML]: Could you tell me more about what that is?
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[DG]: Charka is a wooden instrument on which you spin the thread and then make the clothes. Hand-made clothes. Which is called khadi. K h a d i. Khadi clothes. So, we used to wear only khadi.
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[ML]: So, can you tell me more about Khadi, what does it—
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[DG]: The movement was not to wear foreign clothes. We importing material from England. No. We had cotton and everything. A Britisher will take this cotton to England and then bring back to India. …
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[ML]: So, growing up, you—what is it called? Khadi?
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[DG]: Khadi.
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[ML]: Khadi.
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[DG]: K h a d i.
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[ML]: So the people—
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[DG]: Home spun. Home spun.
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[ML]: What is—
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[DG]: Home. H o m e. Spun. S p u n. Homemade.
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[ML]: Oh. Homespun, yeah. So did you make it yourself?
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[DG]: No, my father--
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[ML]: Your father did? Is it, was it hard? Do you know?
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[DG]: Well, you see, when you are in jail, you have to do something. Occupation. So you just spin there, and bring the thread, and make clothes out of it.
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[ML]: What was it like when he was in jail for you and your siblings?
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[DG]: Well, nothing. You have to sacrifice for the country. …
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[ML]: So, you, your dad, was he kind of a hero—
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[DG]: Well, yeah, I’ll talk to you after we go to the family tree. And then I’ll, when we finish, yeah.
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[ML]: Okay, yeah, I would love to see. And I’d like to see pictures of your father too and—
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[DG]: Yes they’re all here.
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[ML]: They’re all here. Yeah, I’m very excited. Looks like there’s a lot of photographs. So, what was--can you tell me a little bit more about your life in India before you, when you were—
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[DG]: Well, when we came to India, we were distressed. We lost our home, land, motherland. And we are now losing our identity. Because we have no home in India. And that's one of the reasons I thought of museum making home for Sindhu. So that, people come and see that museum. And there be, through the world, people will come over to see the museum. You see what Japanese have done.
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[ML]: Yeah. And so you want the Indo museum—
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Absolutely—
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[DG]: Which will allow children to research, create interest. The website is creating lot of interest.
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[ML]: I can tell, yeah, you have a lot of views and so many visits.
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[DG]: Yeah, because lot of advertisers have approached me. I don’t want any ads there. Only contents.
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[ML]: Yeah. And that’s marvelous, I think. A lot of people would, you know, want advertisements ‘cause they bring in money, but it's definitely admirable that you—
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[DG]: I don't need money. For that purpose, that way.
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[ML]: That’s very cool. So, when did you come to the United States? And why?
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[DG]: I came in 1985.
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[ML]: 1985? Why did you come to the US?
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[DG]: Pardon?
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[ML]: Why did you come to the US?
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[DG]: See, I had a choice in Air India, I had to retire at the age of 58. So, I retired. So I had to go somewhere. Either go back to India. Or live in France, or Spain, or Japan, or Hong Kong. For where I lived I had permanent visa, for those countries. But then I was offered visa for USA. So I came to USA. Because, English is there. There are opportunities. So, when I started business successfully, now my son looks after the business. And I said, “Now you have all the money, I’m going on my Social Securities. And I want to start this, my project.” So this is my third, second retirement, third retirement.
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[ML]: So you, I heard you say opportunities, you know, coming to America, and I read in one of the readings that you had me look at, I noticed that you talk about--So you say in here that coming to America offered you the opportunity to realize the American dream.
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: So can you talk a little bit about that? What do you, what does the American, what did the American dream look like for you before you—
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[DG]: Is that you make your life comfortable. And, you’re accepted. You see, not ever country will—Japan, they don’t accept you if you’re a foreigner. But, America? Everybody comes in. Immigrant is immigrant. And English language was advantage. Because we couldn't speak English, and it’s difficult in other countries.
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[ML]: So did you feel like, before you came to America, you had this idea of what America might be like? Did you feel like every expectation was met?
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[DG]: I tell you, ’83 I came here, and bought the house in ’83. I got my visa in ’76. But I didn’t take the--I didn’t come and live here. I used to visit and I worked for Air India, finished my 30 years, retired, then I came here. … I’ll send you two videos which will give you an idea.
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[ML]: I would definitely love to see it any—
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[DG]: Which was on my 80th birthday and 85th birthday. They will give you idea, the interviews that have been taken there, other people, what they say.
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[ML]: Absolutely, I would love to see. So, what did you expect your life would be like in the United States?
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[DG]: Comfortable.
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[ML]: Comfortable. Yeah. And you exceeded those expectations. You’ve bought the house—
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: That’s great. How do you—I know you were talking about America being very open to immigrants, do you feel liken the current political climate, do you feel, how do you feel about the current political climate, I should say.
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[DG]: We are very comfortable. I don't like to go back to India. I bought the house in India, but then I sold it because it's too much of distance to come and go at this age.
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[ML]: So what did—do you feel like you left anything behind in India that you miss?
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[DG]: Nothing. I lost all my friends have died. And inaudible need to go back to India.
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[ML]: What was the hardest part of moving away from your home country? I mean
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[DG]: First was the displaced partition, which affected our life very badly. Financially and otherwise because we were not welcome in India. They said, “Why are you coming? You can stay there.” And there was a forced conversion in Pakistan. And we ran away because we didn't want to be convert to Islam. That was the reason. You can’t change your religion by force. And Islam converts you forcibly. It was Islamic state.
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[ML]: So, I’m not sure if I’m understanding correctly but were you more so pushed out? Or like you weren’t welcome—
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[DG]: Yes. We were pushed out--
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[ML]: rather than there wasn’t--
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[DG]: We left our properties, everything. We came empty-handed. Like the Jews.
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[ML]: So what was the first place you went when you were forced out?
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[DG]: I went to Bombay.
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[ML]: Okay.
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[DG]: Bombay.
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[ML]: Do you remember vividly that time in your life when you had to leave? Do you have any memories of--
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[DG]: It was very turmoil, very traumatic experience. That partition of India displaced 18 million people’s life. 18 million people moved out of their country, from their home. The biggest exodus. … We are well settled, everything in our homeland. They took it away. They took away our houses. They came and forcibly stayed in our house. How can we stay with Muslims and Hindus? The same house.
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[ML]: They forced you out, huh?
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[DG]: Yes, we were forced out. … I can show you the letters that my father has written. inaudible letters. He was, he remained in Pakistan. Mahatma Gandhi told him not to move and help and those to move out. So Pakistan government arrested them.
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[ML]: I would like, I would love to see those letters, if you know where they are.
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[DG]: Yes I can, I’ve got archives. I can send you, you can read all those.
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[ML]: I would, yeah, that would be great. Thank-you. It sounds like you have a lot of things to show me, I'm really excited.
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[DG]: And you have to come again, I have to give you tour down there.
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[ML]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[DG]: And you are most welcome any time to come and do the work even here yourself.
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[ML]: I really appreciate that, thank you. I'll take you up on that offer
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[DG]: Yeah, there’s a computer, everything. You can do whatever you want.
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[ML]: That’s great.
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[DG]: On the project.
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[ML]: Yeah, that’s wonderful.
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[DG]: ‘Cause you’ll find lot of content matter, books down there.
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[ML]: Research topics
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[DG]: Research topics.
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[ML]: And I definitely would like to talk to you, when we’re done with our interview about, you were talking about anthropology in India—
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[DG]: Yeah, I’m inaudible
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[ML]: And more about archeology, but maybe we can talk about other aspects of anthropology--
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Because –
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[DG]: Archeology and anthropology.
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[ML]: Yeah. Cool. So, what did you first notice or what was the most striking thing upon your arrival in the United States?
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[DG]: I was struggling to settle myself first. Then I was very quickly settled down. I bought travel agency in Evanston and we are still there 30 years, over 30 years.
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[ML]: It’s a travel agency?
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[DG]: Yes. That’s why we have these tours. Archeological and anthropological tours to India. Archeological because there are some excavations happening now on the sites. So we are offering these tours to students and they can get the credits. It’s on the website, if you see.
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[ML]: I saw the archeology section, it’s—you guys are doing amazing—
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[DG]: And you’re digging with the Vice Chancellor who’s the top archeologist in India. Dr. Shendi.
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[ML]: I would do it **laughs**
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[DG]: Well, we make a group of 10 students, go this winter.
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[ML]: Well, I'm going to Peru this winter to visit my family, but I would love to go in the summer or something. I actually, I think I'm going to India in March.
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[DG]: March this year, next year?
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[ML]: I’ve been, yes, I’ve been saving up my money. I am dying to go back
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[DG]: If you are going March, go early March, then you can go to Rhakighari and see the excavations.
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[ML]: Oh okay. Yeah, I’ll—
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[DG]: Digging.
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[ML]: Yeah. Do you like to dig--
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[DG]: with your own hands.
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[ML]: **laughs** So how did you first find a place to live when you came to the United States.
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[DG]: First?
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[ML]: When you, when you came, did you have any guidance as to how to settle in?
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[DG]: Well, I had extended family, and, but that's another story. They just turn away. They thought we were liability on them, so I was not liability. I established on my own. And we did not move much with Indian community, we did communicate and socialize in the community. But mainstream, we focus on mainstream of America. So my wife got involved with Jewish woman. She teaches Indian cooking at Brandon University and several places may inaudible Then she was also with the Northwestern University taking students around and get them familiarize with the city of Chicago. The foreign students who come. So she was on the board for many years, but now she's 88and she's got dementia so she’s inaudible.
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[ML]: How did you meet your wife?
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[DG]: Well she was educated in Philippines.
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[ML]: You can keep talking, I’m **laughs**
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[DG]: She was educated in Philippines. She graduated from St. Theresa’s College with Suma Cum Laude. And it was a Catholic school. They refused to give her Suma Cum Laude unless she became Christian.
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[ML]: Really?
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[DG]: So she rebelled. She said, No I want my Suma Cum Laude. So the nuns gave her Suma Cum Laude and then she came to India.…She came to India and she joined foreign service. She wanted to be ambassador, diplomat. She was doing that, then we met there. And then we married. And then that's it. Don't worry about foreign service, I have a foreign service. We are going to Spain, we’re going here, and we travelled all over the world. We’ve been to 132 countries.
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[ML]: Really? Do you have photographs of your travels?
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[DG]: I have so many. Come and see.
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[ML]: Oh are all those photo albums?
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[DG]: Albums
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[ML]: So I just have, I’m really excited--
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[DG]: You come and see--
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[ML]: I will.
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[DG]: This is what Sydney Sawyer did. She went through my albums and she made a story.
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[ML]: Really?
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[DG]: Then she asked some questions.
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[ML]: And she’s—
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[DG]: She’s 8th grade.
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[ML]: 8th grade?
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[DG]: Now, she’s at Harvard University.
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[ML]: She’s at Harvard?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Oh wow. She wrote this when she was in 8th grade?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Extremely well written.
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: I mean, I thought it was a university student or a graduate student—
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[DG]: No If you see, I have sent you the link Sydney Sawyer, 8th grade
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[ML]: Yes, please. That’s—
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[DG]: Her paper was—
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[ML]: Really impressive
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[DG]: Her paper got higher grades.
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[ML]: Wow. Very fascinating.
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[DG]: So you can see all the albums, whenever you want to come.
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[ML]: Absolutely, I’m gonna definitely come back.
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[DG]: I’ll give you albums right from Bombay, Hong Kon, Japan—
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[ML]: Do you mind if I grab one of the albums right now?
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[DG]: Sure.
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[ML]: Just a random one, just to peek and maybe you can--… all right.
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[DG]: This is the early album.
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[ML]: Early album? So what do we have here? We have—…
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[DG]: This is Diwali and we had—this is what? Japan, yeah. In Japan.
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[ML]: Oh, that’s in
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[DG]: Japan.
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[ML]: What’s this? It looks like a celebration?
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[DG]: Yes, it’s all social functions my wife has organized…
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[ML]: This is beautiful. When is this from?
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[DG]: This isa social function in India… and this is all India.
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[ML]: In India? When is this? Do you know what date around this is from?
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[DG]: Hm?
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[ML]: Like when? When these pictures were taken?
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[DG]: Oh, this is ’65, ’67. Here is Japanese. You see, this is Japan. Now, this was, I had invited Tenzing Norgay, do you know who is Tenzing Norgay?
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[ML]: No, I don’t.
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[DG]: He’s the first Mount Everest climber.
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[ML]: Oh.
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[DG]: First person. I show you the-- …
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[ML]: So why did you have him—you invited him to what?
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[DG]: Because Mayor of Kobe was very fond of climbing. This is with Japanese. This is the one.
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[ML]: That’s him?
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[DG]: Tenzing Norgay.
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[ML]: Wow.
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[DG]: This the Mayor of, Mayor. Where am I? I was somewhere here.
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[ML]: Are you in this?
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[DG]: Yes. inaudible This is Tenzing Norgay. This Tenzing.
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[ML]: And you were friends with him?
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[DG]: Yes. I flew him from India to Japan. And he walked on the mountain there with Mayor and 10,000 students.
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[ML]: Wow. So, he was the first person to climb?
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[DG]: Mount Everest. Tenzing Norgay, I’ll give you inaudible
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[ML]: Wow, so he must have been a pretty interesting person to—
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[DG]: That story is there that Sydney’s paper.
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[ML]: Do you have-- did he write a book?
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[DG]: No. She has written in my article.
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[ML]: Oh okay. … Oh wow. These are--I love these pictures. Okay, I’m gonna grab one more album and then I--but I will definitely have to come—
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[DG]: Yeah, you come any—
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[ML]: On a day where I can just look through your house.
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[DG]: Anytime, when you want to come.
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[ML]: Okay, I will. I can email you.
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[DG]: Walk around the entire place and
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[ML]: Okay, so let’s see, one last quick, let’s look at this guy.
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[DG]: This is all torn up.
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[ML]: Oh. That's why I was drawn to it. It looks like it's got a lot of character, it’s been through a lot.
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[DG]: This is my wife and my—these are all the pictures, but there were no albums to put in.
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[ML]: Oh wow. …
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[DG]: This is inaudible.
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[ML]: What is it?
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[DG]: This is—
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[ML]: A flight?
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[DG]: This is when I opened a new route, Bombay, Osaka.
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[ML]: Wow.
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[DG]: So this is addressed to me from the—
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[ML]: Wow.
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[DG]: With the stamps. And this is Osaka to Bombay I send it to the, my boss.
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[ML]: That is so cool. When was this?1972.
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Very cool. I was on the board of this Kobe club, which was mainly Jewish people and American.
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[ML]: Which one are you?
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[DG]: I'm here.
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[ML]: Aww **laughs**
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[DG]: I was on the committee of Kobe club. This is all Japan. This girl was Filipino and she was a cook. I got her a job in Japan with my friend. And then she became pregnant and become a problem, so this is her husband. He would not marry her. So I had to force him, I said, This your child and I became the father of this girl. And mother we got them married.
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[ML]: Really? Oh wow. Is that at the, where you guys, you were marrying them, then?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Oh wow.
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[DG]: inaudible registrar--
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[ML]: Oh that’s beautiful.
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[DG]: This my wife and me
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[ML]: And that’s you and your wife?
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[DG]: Yes, that’s me and my wife.
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[ML]: That is a cute picture. …
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[DG]: Japanese dinner. All Japanese, my staff.
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[ML]: This is so cool. …
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[DG]: Japanese
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[ML]: Aw **laughs** … So did you like living in Japan?
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[DG]: Yes, yes. 7 years we lived there. We liked it. But not permanently.… These are Japanese pictures.
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[ML]: Very cool. Here you can put these in there so they don't get lost.
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[DG]: Let's see if I can give some pictures which you can scan it. … This is my wife was Ikebana teacher. You know what is Ikebana?
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[ML]: No what is that?
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[DG]: Japanese flower arrangement
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[ML]: Oh she was a—
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[DG]: She was a teacher, and she became a president of International Ikebana in Japan.
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[ML]: Oh wow. That’s impressive. Can I take a picture of this picture? It's beautiful I really like that photo. Who were, who are—
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[DG]: These are my nieces.
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[ML]: Your nieces?
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[DG]: Yeah. And, sure, you can do it. … You can take it away.
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[ML]: I’ll just take it here. I’ll take one on my phone just in case the film inaudible …
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[DG]: This is my brother-in-law who started into American forum. This might be interesting to you.
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[ML]: Oh that’s him? Yeah that is interesting.
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[DG]: You can take that picture.
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[ML]: Take it with me?
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[DG]: Yeah, take it with you.
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[ML]: Really?
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[DG]: Yeah, you can put it on the—…
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[ML]: I love this, who’s--is that you and your wife?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: And who else?
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[DG]: My friend.
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[ML]: Oh and she’s, so she's a chef right now? Or she was a chef?
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[DG]: She was a chef.
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[ML]: This was a black man I adopted and brought him from homeless and built his life.
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[ML]: Can you talk a little bit more about that? That’s so **laughs** you say it so nonchalant, but it’s, you’ve had quite an, like you’ve given back to the community in every—
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[DG]: That’s what—
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[ML]: That’s what you do. Can you, tell me about him. What’s his name?
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[DG]: His name was Jerry Brant.
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[ML]: JD Brown?
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[DG]: Yes. He was homeless, drug addict, everything.
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[ML]: How'd you meet him?
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[DG]: Well, my wife and I used to cook in a church where he was homeless in Evanston. And we brought him and then I gave him work in my house. …
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[ML]: Wow. …
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[DG]: This is her work, Ikebana.
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[ML]: Oh my gosh.
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[DG]: I’ll show you her album.
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[ML]: It’s incredible.
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[DG]: I’ll send you email of her work in USA.
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[ML]: Please. Please do.
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[DG]: So you can combine. It’s not one person, it’s two people. It’s the family that’s dedicated to the cause. Okay.
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[ML]: So have you gone--
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[DG]: Now let me come to the, tell you something.
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[ML]: Yes.
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[DG]: When I started this Sindhulogy, there was a killing in Chicago of Derrion Albert. So, I wrote a very passionate letter to President Obama. I have that letter, I’ll send you. And he sent it to Secretary of Education. And Secretary of Education contacted me. He says, “You are doing a great job and we want you to continue.” But I said, “I need money.” He says, “We have no budgets. But we’ll give you resources where you can apply and get grants.” But, as I said, I’m no grant writer. I could not do it. I need interns to do the job I can't do it anymore. So that is pending inaudible and from there I carried on. I was encouraged by the government. Then I wrote to the school board here. I said, introduce teaching of Gandhi and this in the curriculum. They say, we cannot do it curriculum, but educators can pick up the stories and teach in the class. Because there’s no authentic material now for teachers to teach. That’s how they come to my website to get the contents.
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[ML]: Yeah, your website definitely has really good learning material for educators.
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[DG]: See, young people like you can spread the word and send out to youngsters to read and see what they want to learn from there.
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[ML]: Definitely, and I've already, I’ve showed the website to so many people already.
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[DG]: There was a killing in Evanston. So, I went to mayor, to share. I said, Mayor, this is what I'm doing non-violence. So, she said we must introduce in the school. So I get to schools in Evanston, I got the message from community activists, I got the message from the police chief. And they all supported my program. That program is on the website. Did you see that? Evanston—
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[ML]: The nonviolent—
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[DG]: Nonviolent project—
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[ML]: Yes.
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[DG]: Evanston. Now this is what can be done for nonviolence. Suppose 2, 3 youngsters get together and wants to take our projects to the mayor of the city. And they say, “We want to have this.” Nobody say no. They got support. And that’s how you can spread the word about nonviolence. Which is your favorite subject. Schaumburg. All suburbs. Highland Park. This way, the entire Illinois will have message. City of Chicago. They can learn from Evanston projects. So you can see the Evanston project.
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[ML]: Yeah, I’ll definitely read more about it. I’m intrigued. Let’s write up exactly, like, what I want to be doing.
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[DG]: Now you’re question. Any more questions?
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[ML]: Yeah, yeah. So, let’s see. What experiences or individuals from the early days, early years in the United States have had a long-lasting effect on your life?
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[DG]: See, I came here at the age of 58. 32 years I have developed a lot of connections I have. There’re friends, they’ve been helpful. And I’ve been helping them. So this has been a very interesting life. I’m engaged. I don't know how I lived 90 years, but I'm occupied. You see, I have lot of work. Have to look after my wife. Have to look after Sindhulogy. I go 2, 3 hours every day to the computer. Writing.
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[ML]: You’re inspirational, you know that? I’m sure you’ve—
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[DG]: Thank you.
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[ML]: Heard that before. Do you have an anecdote that represents what you had to deal with as you learned the ropes about living and working in the United States?
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[DG]: I think being very transparent and honest has paid us. Our agency, for 32 years, we never had any complaint. We handle not just engineers at the account for last 20 years. And, they’re very happy with us. Yeah. But we are very frank to tell them, this is what can be done, this cannot be done. And they accept. Are you here on Diwali?
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[ML]:
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[indicating no]
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[DG]: You know what Diwali is?
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[ML]: No, I’m not sure.
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[DG]: It’s the Hindu New Year. We are celebrating here. It’s on this Sunday coming.
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[ML]: This, next Sunday?
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[DG]: Yes, yes next Sunday. So, between 5 and 7, you’re most welcome. Is open house.
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[ML]: Really? Wow, I, yeah. I would love to.
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[DG]: ‘Cause there’ll be some students also from university coming.
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[ML]: Okay.
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[DG]: So, you’re most welcome.
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[ML]: From 5 to 7?
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[DG]: You can bring your—yeah. Bring your friends.
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[ML]: Okay, I will. Only if there's food. No I’m just kidding **laughs** 5 to 7?
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[DG]: Yeah.
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[ML]: On Sunday—
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[DG]: You’ll just let me know how many people are coming.
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[ML]: Okay.
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[DG]: There’s be small eats and the small drink. And we’ll have prayers.
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[ML]: Wow, I would love to—
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[DG]: Which is, we done—which is a ceremony worth watching.
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[ML]: I am sure, yeah.
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[DG]: It’s called Diwali.
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[ML]: Diwali? So that’s the, that’s new year then?
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[DG]: New year. Hindu new year.
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[ML]: Can you tell me a little bit about the celebration, what—
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[DG]: Go on website,
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[ML]: **laughs**
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[DG]: Put Diwali, you'll know everything.
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[ML]: Okay. Cool, I’ll do that. So did you, did you face any challenges making friends in the US? or building relationships?
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[DG]: Yes. Well, we have lot of friends, and my children are friends, my grandchildren are friends. I like to work with young people. I want to educate them more. I don't care for my current generations young people because you are our future. You're the future of this nation and if you, we built you up and you come out good values in the life, that’s my greatest achievement. … Bring your friends, I mean it. Let me know, 3, 4, how many.
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[ML]: Okay, I will, definitely. So, in what ways do you think you as an individual have contributed or had an impact on American life? We've already talked about this a bit but what do you think you’ve contributed to?
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[DG]: I've contributed Indian values and ancient civilization as an education for future generations. Because of violence that exists here. That should, we should prevail on violence.
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[ML]: What do you think is your groups’ most important contribution to the building of the Indian American, or Indian Community in Chicago?
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[DG]: Through education. Two cultures. One is the oldest democracy, one is a young democracy. Two countries. that they get together, India and USA they’ll conquer the world with nonviolence. And now, India and USA are very close. They’re working very closely, because of this terrorism.
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[ML]: What do you see for the future as far as nonviolence goes?
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[DG]: It will be strength. People will be tired of these bloodbaths. These bloodbaths should be over.
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[ML]: Do you ever have--
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[DG]: People should not live in fear.
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[ML]: Do you, you know, doing all this social justice work--I'm 22, I haven’t done much, okay? At all. But, I feel drained sometimes. I feel drained because, you know, you can do so much, and you see very little or very slow, slow change. Do you ever—
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[DG]: Don’t give up, inaudible--
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[ML]: Absolutely not. But, you know, just like--
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[DG]: If you believe what is good, go for it. Don't be afraid who’s here, there. You may have, you may be bruised, you maybe fall down, but you will get up again.
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[ML]: I appreciate that, I mean, you’ve been, you’ve dedicated your life and your father dedicated his life and so it definitely feels good hearing that.
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[DG]: Once you read that history, of my family, you’ll see what we have done.
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[ML]: Okay. Do you mind if we read it now?
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[DG]: Yeah, sure.
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[ML]: Okay, okay.
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[DG]: Let’s go there and—
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[ML]: Here, we can carry this. Sorry. …
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[DG]: My grandfather
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[ML]: In the middle?
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[DG]: On the top.
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[ML]: On the top.
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[DG]: With the beard. With the beard. The top picture.
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[ML]: Okay. The white beard? I’m sorry. This one right here? This one?
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[DG]: No, no, yeah.
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[ML]: Oh, wow okay.
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[DG]: And, my father is in a suit at the back, he was the youngest guy.
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[ML]: Okay. And what’s this?
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[DG]: This is Prime Minister Nehru in our house. Pandit Nehru.
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[ML]: Which one is he?
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[DG]: One at the center sitting.
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[ML]: Here?
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[DG]: Yes. And there's my father standing there.
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[ML]: Where?
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[DG]: Here
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[ML]: To the right?
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[DG]: No, on the left.
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[ML]: Here? here?
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[DG]: No, right, sorry, on the right, number 4.
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[ML]: Here?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Oh, wow. So, Nehru came to your house?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Can you tell me more about that? That’s—
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[DG]: And I’m sitting at the floor.
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[ML]: Where? This?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Wow. That is so cool. Can you tell me a little bit more about Nehru?
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[DG]: This is 1930, ’35.
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[ML]: 1935. So Nehru stayed at your house?
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[DG]: Yes.
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[ML]: Can you tell me a little bit more about that? What was that?
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[DG]: He, well he came to collect money for freedom movement. To Sindh. And we helped to collect the money.
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[ML]: Wow. And this—
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[DG]: This is my family.
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[ML]: This is your family.
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[DG]: Extended family. My brother’s children. My two sons. My grandson. My daughter-in-law.
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[ML]: That is a beautiful picture—
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[DG]: You’ll meet them.
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[ML]: Wonderful family. I’ll meet them on Sunday.
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[DG]: Yes. But they are not the four, they live in India. Five of them.
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[ML]: Oh really. Do you go back to India?
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[DG]: I've been going but now I can't because of my wife.
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[ML]: So—
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[DG]: This is my father and mother—
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[ML]: Oh it’s okay. I don’t want to—this is your grandfather?
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[DG]: Yes. That’s my mother. My mother and father, my elder brother.
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[ML]: That’s your brother.
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[DG]: This is my elder brother. My younger brother, he’s come under inaudible
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[ML]: Wow.
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[DG]: This is the story. There are 11 generations of our family. You can take a picture if you want.
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[ML]: I will, definitely. And I would like to take a picture of you. Just stand here and I’ll – inaudible…
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[DG]: inaudibleFamily tree with that camera.
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[ML]: Yeah, I will.
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[DG]: inaudible better picture. …
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[ML]: So, tell me a little bit more—so tell me more about the--
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[DG]: This is dedicated the memory of my father, mother, and inaudible. And this is what you read the story. You can go closer.
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[ML]: If you want, if you’d like, you can sit down while I read it.
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[DG]: Yeah, you read it. Take your time. inaudible What I’ll do, can I take this out? I can walk and come back.
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[ML]: Oh, yes, absolutely. …
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[ML]: Hi.
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[OTHER SPEAKER]: How are you.
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[ML]: I'm good how are you? I'm Marina.
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[OS]: inaudible
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[ML]: Nice to meet you too.
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[ML]: Hi, I’m Marina. It’s nice to meet you.
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[OS]: inaudible